BIG Power pugs

LionTamer · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:52 am Post subject: BIG Power pugs

The 2litre engine is definitely a better one than the 1.6 or 1.8, mainly because the bottom end will allow 4 more displacement & base HP is more 2 start with. But u don't make power from a bottom end, all power is really determine from the head, cams, amount of valves & the general ability 2 flow. This being said doing an engine swop lets say on a 1.6 to a MI16 or GTI engine will cost u more than modifying your existing motor. After this swap, when u get a taste of power u want more & more....this is hoping u can handle it.....so at this point u now have to spend same amount as if u were modifying your original 1.6. after swopping The name of the game is how much $$$$$$$ do u have 2 dump cause there is no cost effective way to make big realiable power. It makes no sense going to wallerfield to run with 150hp lets face it a stock SIR Civic may smoke u. Pug tuning is expensive....i am trying 2 convince all of u 2 stay away from doing ratch work....don't 4get u r playing with your lives here, u need reliable technology & tuning...some things u have to make the spend...4 any of u looking 2 boost a pug there is a reason Eccosse & myself used forged piston on these machines...no matter the engine u have once it is an original pug engine u need bottom end strength....surprisingly the rods on Matt's 2litre & my 1.8 are forged from the factory..i don't know about the smaller engines....my stock rods were sent to Crower Rods in the US for remaking & we found out it is actually larger & stronger than the stock EVO's & also forged..crower & Matt at Eccosse advised that these rods will take 30lbs of boost...Matt has actually run that amount on his 2litre...i have ran up to 23lbs so far..no problem..the stock pistons will most likely melt down after an additional 50-75hp is added to the engine.....this is just the tip of the iceberg...someone who is serious set up the meeting for us 2 talk..i am on vacation from 2day untill 4th Jan 06. I can be a bit hard to pin down at times so lets do some talking soon. Again my # is 680-1835..it is better 2 call me as i am not on the internet often as u can see.

Plex · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject:

lots of good infor there..and i am glad to learn about the Pugs..i agree with u..the 2.0 is a better engine..i myself have the stock 1.8 8v but seriously condsidering to do a 2.0 swap some time in the future..my engine is doing close to 139,000km and i really not sure if money should be spent on an engine of that age and mileage...i will give u a call after christmas..we will talk and there are other pug tuners who will have questions to ask..we need to meet soon..
i know the 2.0 engines are available but which one to choose will be tough decision..
so far i have done some research on the gti6 , s-16 and some infor on the t-16..
the gti-6 which i saw there was one in t&t which seems to be the better engine and the 6-speed manual however if i could not get mine hands on any of the above i thought about the 2.0 16v which was found in the 406....u are pushing the 1.8 to real far limits which i cannot imagine but good to see that u show other non euro tuners what euro tuners cars are quite capable..money is the main thing, but i know each one of us know how much hp we want...so i stated with suspension upgrades and just recently did a rear disc conversion, i felt that if power was to come let me start with brakes..then power after..what sort of brakes are u using? i was told from some tuners in maxpower..that Tarox is good...but then again is matter of a personal choice..

Plex · Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:07 am Post subject:

what is your view of supercharging a pug rather than turbo?
right now doing as much research as can before making decisions.

when u turbo your pug how did u deal with these issues:

Compressor Size/Trim
Turbine Size/Trim
Compressor Housing Size
Turbine Housing Size
Actuator/Wastegate Control
Exhaust Gas Speeds/Air Flow Rate
Overall Spool Up Characteristics
Bearing/Location Types

LionTamer · Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject:

Well firstly on the brakes, TAROX is top of the line, but do u really want 2 spend $13,000.tt on brakes, yes u heard right $13,000.tt ....i think not.
I have a formula that will impress any pug owner for a big brake solution & any one of u can afford it guaranteed. Rear discs are great but on a front drive car 70% breaking power is in front, & pug rear drums r very good...so unless u want to really spend $3,000.tt on rear discs which is not going 2 give anything much more than stock drums i can show u how 2 better spend that money in tuning. I am running 4 piston calipers & 11.5inch rotors upfront with stock rear drums & stock master cylinder & trust me i have quite adequate brakes to support 345hp. dont waste the xtra cash on rear discs unless u want the look. Someone asked about supercharging, u can do this no problem but........it costs same amount, same degree of difficulty, & will definitely not make anywhere close to the power of turbocharging unless u go xtreme. Superchargers runs on belt technology & relies on engine rpm, so once u reach max rpm no more power, u will be fast of the line but slow on top. If u make 100hp from supercharging u will only be able to realise 50% of it as power u can use cause supercharging takes power from your engine 2 produce power to your engine.....unlike turbos which uses unburnt exhaust gases to create power.....so no power rubbing of the engine here. In short DO NOT SUPERCHARGE your pug.
The other question was how did i deal with the many issues of Compressor Size/Trim, Turbine Size/Trim, Compressor Housing Size,
Turbine Housing Size, Actuator/Wastegate Control, Exhaust Gas, Speeds/Air Flow Rate, Overall Spool Up Characteristics, Bearing/Location Types? well i can answer all of that but i will run out of space to type & i am not sure if u guys want 2 read all that but firstly i set my target & built from the bottom up, as i mentioned b4 u should not do this as if it is a honda u own...it's not the same..bamboo not friendly 2 pugs, so the challenge begins, this is where the $$$$$$ comes in right from the start. U need to get parts custom made unless u want 2 pay the cost in pounds. I will like 2 invite all of u 2 have a look at my setup so u can better appreciate what i am saying & what was done, if u want the power & driveability u need to plan...but there is a solution to all these issues...don't xpect 2 do it in 3 months...it took me 3 years & i still going after more power but the good thing is i can get the power cause i have built the engine the right way from the start..no ratch.. very important.Call me & we can always set up a date & time as typing all of this may get lost in your mind but if u see it in real i am sure u will be a lot more stimulated.

Plex · Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject:

LionTamer, that sounds like a good plan.. seeing your set up will make it easier to understand..
getting custom parts i do not know where and how to get, so i am faced with the imports from the great UK and that 10 to 1 conversion which hurts a lot.. like u said ratch is not the answer which is why i do lot of research in the web what is available and what i cannot do..i know building an engine takes time so i cannot expect magic from this..but at least expect to be realistic..after christmas expect a call..i up & down that highway with friends and family ...where the other guys?
solo, dnick, dlittlelion and advocate and i think there is more who are interesting in this meeting...

DNicK · Sith-ing down in the corner Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 57

glad to see the tamer has posted. Rob, we have to talk. I want to do some small mods to the xs. I'm not lookin for miracles, just something extra.

Plex · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject:

LionTamer, whats your formula for the front brakes?

LionTamer · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject:

My formula for the big brake conversion is believe it or not i went into the bamboo & got a full front brake set up from a Mitsubishi FTO......4 piston calipers, 11.5inch rotors.... got an original wheel spindle borrowed from Howard at Peugeot parts specialist & went into the machine shop with all parts in hand...I instructed the machine shop to redrill or widen holes for my bolt pattern, made replacement bracket to hold big brake in place on spindle, made additional holes to fasten screws to new 11.5in rotor onto spindle & re-assembled complete kit.....new steel braided brake lines were custom fitted with original FTO brake pads & there u have it all at the cost of less than $2,000.tt trust me stopping power more than u need...forget the $13,000.tt upgrades from the UK, i have been running this on my ride for about 2 years now & have not changed brake pads yet...well my car is also not on the streets often....but that's the formula...try it. also i dressed up my kit alittle more to make it look performance with sand blasting & painting.

Plex · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject:

that price sounds good..all i want is to go bit bigger in the front. I thought about taking the 406 brakes or using EBC brakes..but for less than 2k sounds good..do you know the name of the business u got it from? so when i coming up north i check it out..

LionTamer · Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:32 am Post subject:

that was a long time ago but it is not in the bamboo proper it was off the southern main road curepe, on one of the side streets opposite Fyzam wrecking, it could be from Fyzam themself cause i think they also own the bamboo parts plce opposite. that's it

dlittlelion · Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:36 am Post subject:

boy up to yesterday i went lookin...........salt boy salt

Plex · Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject:

for barkes? dlittlelion..

dlittlelion · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:55 am Post subject:

yeh boy pressure

LionTamer · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

the big brakes does not have to be from Mitsubishi FTO only, u can use Skyline
also but older model like R32, main thing is rotor should be 11.5, bigger maybe a problem,
i used FTO cause that is what i found first but skyline older model is same size & will work also.

Plex · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:

what about parts, when u have to change the rotors etc? is that easy to get?