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 Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: ~ New Turbos coming like HOT HOPS!... FP EvoWHITE turbo. |
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Here's what Robert Young, owner of Forced Performance had to say about the
new EvoWHITE turbo...
| Forced Performance wrote: | White model dyno on 22psi falling to 21psi.
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This is getting a little messy! Seems like we can't develop anything without the internet spy
network trumping our debuts! HAHAHA!
Anyway, here is a teaser to check out. It isnt the highest power dyno graph in the world, but it
was done on 22psi dropping to about 20-21psi by 7krpm in 3rd gear, not a 4th gear
run which would show it spooling even faster.
It is a pretty good example of how well this turbo can hold the power out in the upper RPM on
low boost. This thing is above 350whp from before 6k to well past 8krpm.
I know you guys have seen your share of 400whp stock turbo dyno runs on meth, crack, heroin
and whatnot with the boost cranked to the moon, and I know everyone can make big torque
numbers on the stock turbo with a 35psi boost spike, but this is a honest 22psi with no spike
and a gentle fade down to 20psi or so by 8500rpm.
No stock turbo can sustain 350+whp out beyond 8krpm on 20psi.
I love driving the car this way, my motec log shows me doing 3.1 second 0-60 and
11.4 second 0-120mph on the way home from the dyno with the car detuned to 22psi.
Plus this turbo is less costly to build than the Green due to less machine work and retaining
the stock turbine wheel. I like the stock turbine wheel in low boost apps since you dont build
a terrible level of turbine pressure with the TD05H when keeping boost under 25psi, PLUS
you get stock EVO9 turbo spool. The spool up curves of the stock turbo and this one lie
pretty much directly on top of one another.
This is the 68HTA wheel that didnt outperform (outpower to be more specific) the 69-5
when tested with the larger turbine wheel. For the sake of being thorough, we ran it in the
TD05H configuration and got surprised. Drastic improvement in compressor eff
when mass flow got beyond 40lb/min and much more mass flow when driven out to it's
max shaft speed of 165k compared to the stock EVO9 16g6 compressor.
Anyway, I know I typed too many words and nobody will read it anyway, so here is a pretty picture.
oh, also notice that it was 95F when we did this run, not a uncorrected 40F "perfect air"
day by any means. Also, this turbo was using our HP actuator, not the stock actuator.
Also, not EVO8 based. It is EVO9 based and therefore fits and appears exactly as a EVO9 turbo,
not the smaller diameter EVO8 stuff.
Robert Young |
Link--> New FP White turbo.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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More from Robert Young...
| Forced Performance wrote: | They can be purchased now.
You may have it BRAND NEW with a stock or HP actuator for $1295.
You may have your EVO9 turbo converted to this for $600, and you can add a HP
actuator to it for $99 if you dont already have a higher pressure actuator.
So that is $1295 BRAND NEW or $600 to convert yours. We are ready to deliver either
way. There are about 20 of the BRAND NEW type on hand ready to ship and we are
have a dozen or so spare cover and wheel sets to do upgrades/rebuilds with.
Also, I'd like to point out that the $600 upgrade comes with complete rebuild and
blueprint. This isnt just a wheel swap for $600, you get a completely overhauled and
remanufactured
turbo back. Personally I would not even consider swapping a wheel "blind" on
one of these without doing the rebuild at the same time, too many things can go wrong.
Robert Young. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Much more...
| Forced Performance wrote: | Realistically I will probably do exactly that, dyno it directly against the stock turbo. I have tons
of data on both the stock turbo and this one from the Motec. The difference in measured airflow
thru the motor is about 10-12% different starting at about 5krpm on out to 8krpm
(more difference the higher the RPM, duh), with the stock turbo really having no business
even trying to run out past 7krpm due to the 450F+ degree air coming out of it at that
point from the major overspeed condition resulting from trying to run more than 19psi at 7krpm
(stock turbo).
As far as holding out for a Green, sure if that is what you are looking for nothing else does the job.
This White model is almost Green compressor flow but with stock spool and shift recovery/tip-in
response. The Green isn't as fast as this turbo in the area of spool. This is the ticket for autocross
or short course road racing, not to mention daily street driving on low boost. Moving 10% more
air without a spool sacrifice was pretty hard to do.
The only thing that was harder was getting past 60lb/min and 480whp at 27psi, but that was a
much laggier combination - and a topic for another discussion.
Robert Young. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Now from "The Man" himself...
| 9sec9 wrote: | Heres some early 'butt dyno' results.
David and I worked on the car Thursday evening and Friday afternoon.
I had to remove the turbo, exhaust manifold, downpipe, oil lines, etc.
All because I forgot to put the rpm sensor on the turbo housing. I have two complete
setups ready to test and had the sensor in the other one. Back to the results. We
fired the car for the first time Thursday and David did a very initial tune on the new AEM.
Today, after getting the sensor installed (but not hooked up), we took it on the road so
DB could begin the tune. Going North out of Wakeman, I could tell immediately that
the new combination was going to show very strong midrange. It just want's to go.
Ever drive a car that was difficult to hold back? This is that car. We made the run to my hotel
then back to Wakeman, total of 20 miles. I then drove it to Davids house and going through
a few twisties, I imagined my self on a road coarse and response in the 3000 rpm range is
very good. Now, on to the wot test runs with VwJeff holding the laptop.
David wanted us to take the car to a local closed circuit and give it a wot from 2500 - 7000 rpm.
We took off. First wot was from about 4000 - 7000 or so. Response again was IMMEDIATE and
pull on the top was incredible. Again, 3200 or so to what I thought was 7000, again immediate
response and STRONG midrange pull. We turned around and I had the car in 2nd gear,
2500 rpms and nailed it.
It pulled strong to about 3200 or so, then the Quick Time Pros running about 14 psi,
all 4 broke loose and the car did a torque steer slide. Very impressive.
Jeff made the comment that it's power was IMMEDIATE and Strong.
No lag at all. He also told me that I had just hit 8300 and the car was still pulling.
I don't know boost, or anything else at this point. I did my job, 3 times over for David and
the logs. Now, tomorrow we'll try to get a few dyno pulls. By the way, those strong pulls
were at 10.5 AFR. Admittedly, the car and build are about as strong as an engine is going to be,
but the turbo is extremely impressive and quick to respond.
Is it stronger than the Green? I don't know, but breaking 4 Quick Time Pros loose
at 3500 or so is enough to convince me that this turbo is going to be awfully strong. More to come. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've been watching this thread as well..very interested in this turbo.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: |
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^ ^ ^ Yup, GREAT spool. Ideal for a "specialist" 'dex car if you have the money for two cars
but I still prefer the EvoGREEN for dual "daily driver" / AutoX use.
EvoGREEN may be more economical too (using pump gas, not 100 oct.) at the same boost.
| Quote: | EvoWHITE on 100 oct = 375 WHP / 335 lbs-ft WTQ @ 22 psi on a Dynojet.
Deducting 12% Dynojet "guesstimate" = 330 WHP / 300 lbs-ft WTQ (~ Mustang.)
EvoGREEN on pump gas = 400 WHP / 362 lbs-ft WTQ @ 21 psi on a Mustang.
and on pump gas with alky = 420 WHP / 430 lbs-ft WTQ @ 31 psi on a Mustang. |
IMHO EvoGREEN brings more usable torque to the table. Especially for occasional longer
'dex circuits or track days when you need more top end power, then there's the
"Traffic light Grand Prix" to think about too. An AutoX "launch" is higher than 3500 rpm, isn't it?
For me, mid range torque is more important than the slightly lower "spool time" of EvoWHITE.
I'll try to make up the spool difference with lower (4.875:1) final drive ratio. 
Comments please Mutt.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hold up a sec... Looks like trouble in paradise! Shades of "White Rabbit"...
It seems that the new EvoWhite doesn't perform quite as well as expected...
| EvoTio wrote: | Well after reading all of these new posts, how does the owner of the Evo who was tuned on
the White feel about his car now? How does it drive after his recent tune?
I would like to hear his feedback. |
| BGevoIX wrote: | My feedback is that it doesn't really feel much different than the stock turbo.
Still a nice clean pull, but I am disappointed. Walking in to get the tune, I told Razorlab I
would be happy if the car would just make some minor gains throughout the powerband
because I knew the intake temps would be a few degrees warmer. After the 91 tune, I
was a little disappointed. We took a break to let it cool down and dropped the 100 octane in.
On our break, we both were thinking the turbo would probably wake up once we
surpassed 25-26psi...but no luck there either. :crap: |
Link--> FPwhite + Evo 9 + 91oct
| razorlab wrote: | 2005 Evo 9
Mod List:
FPwhite (replaced a stock 9 turbo)
GSC S1 cams
RC 750cc injectors
Walboro Fuel Pump
ETS intake kit
Ported exhaust manifold
ETS intercooler pipes
ETS 3" FMIC
TBE with no cat 3"
Titek tubular 02 housing
Sun Hyperforce ignition box
GM 3 port boost solenoid using Ecu-controlled boost
Stock ECU
Stock Head
Stock shortblock
On to the graphs, I tuned the car to as close as possible, the same boost, AFR and timing as
with the stock 9 turbo to get a true A to B comparison.
91 octane
Dotted lines are the stock 9 turbo, Solid lines are the FPwhite
91 octane boost
Dotted lines are the stock 9 turbo, Solid lines are the FPwhite
100 octane
Dotted lines are the stock 9 turbo, Solid lines are the FPwhite
100 octane boost
Dotted lines are the stock 9 turbo, Solid lines are the FPwhite
As you can see with both examples, the FPwhite trailed behind in power and torque
to the stock 9 turbo until around 6500, where the FPwhite gained a tad.
Again, boost is as close as possible between the two, with the exception the FPwhite which
ran a tad more boost up top on both tunes. AFR's are the same between the two turbos and
Timing is as close as possible, I had to run about 1* less up top with the FPwhite because
of a tad more airflow. |
razorlab's $0.02�
| Sanctifier wrote: | ...  ... Yup, now I'm REALLY glad that I bought the EvoGREEN turbo instead.  |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: |
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UPDATE: All is not lost. The EvoWHITE still has some life in it...
Here's a "Gadiel Tuned" JDM Evo 6 GSR... with the following:
| Quote: | Stock internals...
Stock fuel injectors & system...
Kelford "272" cams...
Buschur Racing Intercooler...
FP EvoWHITE Turbo...
HKS Cat-back... |
11.951 seconds... Pretty good!
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