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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject: A mitsu question ? Reply with quote

Seeing that there are so many mitsu turnes out there eg ccp, rpw, trinioutlaw etc i was wondering who is the best .. to turn a street evo into a track and street car .. with somthing like 700 bhp and 650 tq .. but reliable and on pump gas .. u know thoses cars that come out on a friday night to shame some hondas tuyo and nissans not to mention suby and give rx7 pressure Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heeheheh....ever heard of Nos?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: A mitsu question ? Reply with quote

mitsu power wrote:
...who is the best .. to turn a street evo into a track and street car

Plenty come to mind...
UK - Norris Designs / RC Developments, etc... but best known of all,
the new name for RalliArt... Xtreme Automobiles.

USA - Road/Race Engineering / Vishnu Performance Systems / Buschur Racing.. etc., etc.

Japan - Bozzspeed / TODA Racing / HKS / Jun ... etc., etc.

Hottnutts wrote:
Heeheheh....ever heard of Nos?

Ah nutts ah not flamin yuh but...
yuh doh really need nitrous wit ah 4G63, eh...only as a last resort Exclamation
... after all, iz not ah Soobie yuh know Laughing
Check this - http://www.srvidz.com/chrisevo.wmv 'Nuff said! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ ol a like that one boy santy and a back u up with it
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vishnu Performance Systems

RELIABLE RELIABLE RELIABLE. (for your high HP street driven projects)

also TSR (TriniOutlaw) I have seen his garage first-hand..and "when" I get my Evo...it ONLY going by Jesse.
(I'll be aiming for 450hp+ at the crank) and still be my daily driver.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW mitsu power, look at some examples of Norris Designs Evos at play.

Evo 5 - 587 bhp and 500 lbs-ft.
0-60 mph = 3.3 sec / 0-100 mph = less than 8 sec / Top speed = 188 mph

Evo 7 (phase 1) 714 bhp and 608 lbs-ft.; with full launch control.
0-60 = 2.8 sec / 0-100 in 7 sec / 1/4-mile = 10.99 @ 134mph / Top speed = 200mph

Evo 7 (phase 2) - 0-60 = 2.69sec / 0-100 = 5.63sec, 0-150 = 12.02sec / 1/4 mile = 10.417@141mph. Top speed = 200.3mph.

That's the kind of output you're asking about Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly speaking there are tons of good shops..BUT FEW have the kinda MONEY you need to build a high horsepower application Mitsu. As Santifier and Yeo pointed out shop like Norris Designs, RRE etc have been around for a awhile now an have built up enough financial & technical resources to build some monster cars. Also, building a high horespower car is not that hard..you basically have to build a solid forged shortblock..ie..Rods, Pistons, Bearings and Machine shop. The Head on a 4G63T requires little or really no further modification and which ever Cam and Valvetrain components you want to install depending on which application the motor will be placed in ie..Street or Track. The more important components of making big and reliable horespower is your choice of Turbo, Fuel system and more importantly the Engine Management System you choose...these 3 components are the key to making big, safe and reliable horsepower!! Outlaw!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmm norris designs evo 7.. mmmmmmm
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

her hear this i notice that in swaping out a perfectly good turbo in the venture of getting more hp u sacrifice bottom end boost .. just my thinking , why dont they bi charge the dam engine like the supra or sc and tb it ... lol a feel the tranny will give uder that pressure
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsu power wrote:
her hear this i notice that in swaping out a perfectly good turbo in the venture of getting
more hp u sacrifice bottom end boost .. just my thinking , why dont they bi charge
the dam engine like the supra or sc and tb it ... lol
a feel the tranny will give uder that pressure

You don't need sequential twin turbos for low end torque on a 4G63 IMO..
just check the older RS 450 setup...
"380 lb.ft. @ 2800 rpm / 450 bhp @ 6500 rpm (est.* *) � with �wild� ECU settings...
One has been measured [chassis dyno] at 383lbs.ft., with 379bhp. (WHP)
The FQ400 has 405bhp @ 6,400rpm and 355 lb-ft @ 5,500pm"


The key IMHO are cams with BIG valve lift and moderate gross duration specs.
Add a good ECU map... and moderately sized exhaust system (2.75" - to - 3")
and there yuh go... more than 330 lb-ft @ under 3800 rpm or even lower
(BTW usually more than 350 lb-ft too)
That's where I want to go with all my projects.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ yeah santi thats good for low end power but lets say u shooting for 500 +.. why cant u SC the engine to get that full low end power to keep u with the competition and spool your big arse turbo .. and when she ready let that
SOB take u into supersonic mode
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One key reason... $$$$ and it's unnecessary anyway.
Check RalliArt's old RS450, Mitsu's newer FQ400, Norris, RC Developments etc. etc.
That's not good enough for you Question
It's nice to dream 'bout specs (I do it all the time),
but it's something different to put together a 'practical' setup.

Don't know how much for a stock turbo, but it's a Mitsu part so... $$$
I think duty on parts is about 30%... now add 15% VAT.
On $1.00 = $1.495 (nearly 50%)
EVO VII HKS3037S Turbo kit ...........$36,250.00 ... + 50% = $54,375
EVO VII HKS GT2835 Turbo Kit ........$38,750.00 ... + 50% = $58,125
EVO VII GREDDY T67/25G Turbo Kit $23,000.00 ... + 50% = $34,500

Take yuh pick.. so two turbos = $89k at least;
plus supporting parts like 'plumbing', cams ECU, FI etc.
For drags... I'll take a single turbo and beat you anyhow... (like SKF Lancer)
I'll just add N2O, and water injection. So same power for half price, not so Question
If it's for the street or Solodex, I pick an RS450 or similar...
better milage, more driveable, more fun... lighter too -
less exhaust manifold and system, plumbing etc. Less maintenance cost and downtime too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeo wrote:
...(I'll be aiming for 450hp+ at the crank) and still be my daily driver.

BTW Yeo what dey say 'bout great minds, boi Question (not de nex half, eh! Laughing )
That setup sounds just like an RS450 to me. That is exactly what my target is for
the 'Solo 1' RS2, with torque = 350 lb-ft+ @/below 3,800 rpm. Cool

BTW Mitsu power, checkup on 'living with the FQ 400' info again.
You'll see that a 'giant' turbo is great at and beyond peak torque rpm...
but itz ah pain in the azz below that engine speed.
http://www.zorce.com/zforums/viewtopic.php?t=397&sid=a95ac57047a11583d046786b014e9725
Unless you run a close-ratio RS 'rally' box, no way will you enjoy that kind of "super lag"
all the time IMO.

Let them keep their FQ400s and 'giant' turbos.
I intend to enjoy my toys all the time Exclamation ... everywhere Exclamation
Okay so one or two 'giants' beat me in a straight run... so what Question Exclamation
I don't need to brag about havin' the fastest ride in de world. It's just not important to me.
Anyhow I'll cut his azz around all the corners... so let him stick that up his database. Laughing

Give me "gallons" of low end torque, at or below 3,800 rpm...
plus around 350-385 hp at the wheels, again at or around 6,500 rpm.
That will put a smile on my face every day... and it'll beat 'the giants' over Lady Young Road
too; especially in traffic Twisted Evil Cool Laughing Frame this next one.... The Sanctifier Equation: -

More low rpm Torque + More Traction + More Flexability = More FUN!
Twisted Evil Laughing

My $0.00�� Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sanctifier wrote:
EVO VII HKS3037S Turbo kit ...........$36,250.00 ... + 50% = $54,375
EVO VII HKS GT2835 Turbo Kit ........$38,750.00 ... + 50% = $58,125
EVO VII GREDDY T67/25G Turbo Kit $23,000.00 ... + 50% = $34,500

BTW OUTLAW explain something please...
Though you have no control over prices; how come...
the HKS GT 2835 makes about ............... 375 hp... for $38,750.00
the HKS 3037S makes about .................. 475 hp... for $36,250.00
the GReedy/Thrust T67/25G makes about 550 hp... for $23,000.00 Question

Okay I understand that the first two (GT2835 & 3037S) may have a ball-bearing cartridge for
quicker 'spool', and the last one (T67/25G) don't(?) That still doesn't explain why the
ball-bearing centre-section is so much more expensive (50%!)... and the bigger 3037S
is still cheaper than the GT2835!?!...Or am I missing something? Comments Question


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah archiving this thread whe
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