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mitsu power Looking for the Jedi base
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: A mitsu question ? |
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Seeing that there are so many mitsu turnes out there eg ccp, rpw, trinioutlaw etc i was wondering who is the best .. to turn a street evo into a track and street car .. with somthing like 700 bhp and 650 tq .. but reliable and on pump gas .. u know thoses cars that come out on a friday night to shame some hondas tuyo and nissans not to mention suby and give rx7 pressure _________________ Trying to own a evo |
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Hottnutts ZORCE-PowerSeller
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Heeheheh....ever heard of Nos?
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 1794 Location: Good question!
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: A mitsu question ? |
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mitsu power wrote: | ...who is the best .. to turn a street evo into a track and street car |
Plenty come to mind...
UK - Norris Designs / RC Developments, etc... but best known of all,
the new name for RalliArt... Xtreme Automobiles.
USA - Road/Race Engineering / Vishnu Performance Systems / Buschur Racing.. etc., etc.
Japan - Bozzspeed / TODA Racing / HKS / Jun ... etc., etc.
Hottnutts wrote: | Heeheheh....ever heard of Nos? |
Ah nutts ah not flamin yuh but...
yuh doh really need nitrous wit ah 4G63, eh...only as a last resort
... after all, iz not ah Soobie yuh know
Check this - http://www.srvidz.com/chrisevo.wmv 'Nuff said! _________________ Walk softly... and carry a BIG stick! |
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mitsu power Looking for the Jedi base
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: |
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^^^ ol a like that one boy santy and a back u up with it _________________ Trying to own a evo |
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Yeo Zorce Jedi Master
Joined: 06 Apr 2005 Posts: 1936 Location: Far Rockaway, NY
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Vishnu Performance Systems
RELIABLE RELIABLE RELIABLE. (for your high HP street driven projects)
also TSR (TriniOutlaw) I have seen his garage first-hand..and "when" I get my Evo...it ONLY going by Jesse.
(I'll be aiming for 450hp+ at the crank) and still be my daily driver. _________________ www.ttonline.org
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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BTW mitsu power, look at some examples of Norris Designs Evos at play.
Evo 5 - 587 bhp and 500 lbs-ft.
0-60 mph = 3.3 sec / 0-100 mph = less than 8 sec / Top speed = 188 mph
Evo 7 (phase 1) 714 bhp and 608 lbs-ft.; with full launch control.
0-60 = 2.8 sec / 0-100 in 7 sec / 1/4-mile = 10.99 @ 134mph / Top speed = 200mph
Evo 7 (phase 2) - 0-60 = 2.69sec / 0-100 = 5.63sec, 0-150 = 12.02sec / 1/4 mile = 10.417@141mph. Top speed = 200.3mph.
That's the kind of output you're asking about
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TRINIOUTLAW Pumpum Conqueror
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 17 Location: Hollywood, Florida
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Honestly speaking there are tons of good shops..BUT FEW have the kinda MONEY you need to build a high horsepower application Mitsu. As Santifier and Yeo pointed out shop like Norris Designs, RRE etc have been around for a awhile now an have built up enough financial & technical resources to build some monster cars. Also, building a high horespower car is not that hard..you basically have to build a solid forged shortblock..ie..Rods, Pistons, Bearings and Machine shop. The Head on a 4G63T requires little or really no further modification and which ever Cam and Valvetrain components you want to install depending on which application the motor will be placed in ie..Street or Track. The more important components of making big and reliable horespower is your choice of Turbo, Fuel system and more importantly the Engine Management System you choose...these 3 components are the key to making big, safe and reliable horsepower!! Outlaw! _________________ Trini Sports Racing (TS*R)
We tune, install and sell - AEM EMS, Greddy E-Manage, Apexi S-AFC. AWD Dyno facility available by appoinment. We are mainly a DSM/Lancer EVO 8 4G63T Service shop and stock many parts for the '03-'05 Lancer Evolution 7/8. We also provide Mitsubishi factory preventative maintenance services using all factory OEM parts and fluids. |
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horsepwrjunki Budding Solodexer?
Joined: 06 Apr 2005 Posts: 425 Location: at d first last street,up de hill down the second left, up the right, upstairs *knock first plz*
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: |
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mmm norris designs evo 7.. mmmmmmm
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mitsu power Looking for the Jedi base
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 33
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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her hear this i notice that in swaping out a perfectly good turbo in the venture of getting more hp u sacrifice bottom end boost .. just my thinking , why dont they bi charge the dam engine like the supra or sc and tb it ... lol a feel the tranny will give uder that pressure _________________ Trying to own a evo |
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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mitsu power wrote: | her hear this i notice that in swaping out a perfectly good turbo in the venture of getting
more hp u sacrifice bottom end boost .. just my thinking , why dont they bi charge
the dam engine like the supra or sc and tb it ... lol
a feel the tranny will give uder that pressure |
You don't need sequential twin turbos for low end torque on a 4G63 IMO..
just check the older RS 450 setup...
"380 lb.ft. @ 2800 rpm / 450 bhp @ 6500 rpm (est.* *) � with �wild� ECU settings...
One has been measured [chassis dyno] at 383lbs.ft., with 379bhp. (WHP)
The FQ400 has 405bhp @ 6,400rpm and 355 lb-ft @ 5,500pm"
The key IMHO are cams with BIG valve lift and moderate gross duration specs.
Add a good ECU map... and moderately sized exhaust system (2.75" - to - 3")
and there yuh go... more than 330 lb-ft @ under 3800 rpm or even lower
(BTW usually more than 350 lb-ft too)
That's where I want to go with all my projects.
My $0.01�� _________________ Walk softly... and carry a BIG stick!
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mitsu power Looking for the Jedi base
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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^^^ yeah santi thats good for low end power but lets say u shooting for 500 +.. why cant u SC the engine to get that full low end power to keep u with the competition and spool your big arse turbo .. and when she ready let that
SOB take u into supersonic mode _________________ Trying to own a evo |
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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One key reason... $$$$ and it's unnecessary anyway.
Check RalliArt's old RS450, Mitsu's newer FQ400, Norris, RC Developments etc. etc.
That's not good enough for you
It's nice to dream 'bout specs (I do it all the time),
but it's something different to put together a 'practical' setup.
Don't know how much for a stock turbo, but it's a Mitsu part so... $$$
I think duty on parts is about 30%... now add 15% VAT.
On $1.00 = $1.495 (nearly 50%)
EVO VII HKS3037S Turbo kit ...........$36,250.00 ... + 50% = $54,375
EVO VII HKS GT2835 Turbo Kit ........$38,750.00 ... + 50% = $58,125
EVO VII GREDDY T67/25G Turbo Kit $23,000.00 ... + 50% = $34,500
Take yuh pick.. so two turbos = $89k at least;
plus supporting parts like 'plumbing', cams ECU, FI etc.
For drags... I'll take a single turbo and beat you anyhow... (like SKF Lancer)
I'll just add N2O, and water injection. So same power for half price, not so
If it's for the street or Solodex, I pick an RS450 or similar...
better milage, more driveable, more fun... lighter too -
less exhaust manifold and system, plumbing etc. Less maintenance cost and downtime too.
My $0.01c _________________ Walk softly... and carry a BIG stick!
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Yeo wrote: | ...(I'll be aiming for 450hp+ at the crank) and still be my daily driver. |
BTW Yeo what dey say 'bout great minds, boi (not de nex half, eh! )
That setup sounds just like an RS450 to me. That is exactly what my target is for
the 'Solo 1' RS2, with torque = 350 lb-ft+ @/below 3,800 rpm.
BTW Mitsu power, checkup on 'living with the FQ 400' info again.
You'll see that a 'giant' turbo is great at and beyond peak torque rpm...
but itz ah pain in the azz below that engine speed.
http://www.zorce.com/zforums/viewtopic.php?t=397&sid=a95ac57047a11583d046786b014e9725
Unless you run a close-ratio RS 'rally' box, no way will you enjoy that kind of "super lag"
all the time IMO.
Let them keep their FQ400s and 'giant' turbos.
I intend to enjoy my toys all the time ... everywhere
Okay so one or two 'giants' beat me in a straight run... so what
I don't need to brag about havin' the fastest ride in de world. It's just not important to me.
Anyhow I'll cut his azz around all the corners... so let him stick that up his database.
Give me "gallons" of low end torque, at or below 3,800 rpm...
plus around 350-385 hp at the wheels, again at or around 6,500 rpm.
That will put a smile on my face every day... and it'll beat 'the giants' over Lady Young Road
too; especially in traffic Frame this next one.... The Sanctifier Equation: -
More low rpm Torque + More Traction + More Flexability = More FUN!
My $0.00�� _________________ Walk softly... and carry a BIG stick!
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Sanctifier wrote: | EVO VII HKS3037S Turbo kit ...........$36,250.00 ... + 50% = $54,375
EVO VII HKS GT2835 Turbo Kit ........$38,750.00 ... + 50% = $58,125
EVO VII GREDDY T67/25G Turbo Kit $23,000.00 ... + 50% = $34,500 |
BTW OUTLAW explain something please...
Though you have no control over prices; how come...
the HKS GT 2835 makes about ............... 375 hp... for $38,750.00
the HKS 3037S makes about .................. 475 hp... for $36,250.00
the GReedy/Thrust T67/25G makes about 550 hp... for $23,000.00
Okay I understand that the first two (GT2835 & 3037S) may have a ball-bearing cartridge for
quicker 'spool', and the last one (T67/25G) don't(?) That still doesn't explain why the
ball-bearing centre-section is so much more expensive (50%!)... and the bigger 3037S
is still cheaper than the GT2835!?!...Or am I missing something? Comments
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Greypatch Jedi Hopeful
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ah archiving this thread whe _________________ Handle every situation like a dog...If you can't Eat it or Screw it.
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