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Rory Phoulorie Zorce Jedi Knight
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: WTK: Brakes upgrade on CK Lancer |
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I would like to improve the braking performance on my CK Lancer. I was thinking of going with some EBC Green Stuff disc pads, but I read on another site that these pads are harsh on stock rotors.
So if I decide to also upgrade the front rotors, what are my options. If I go with slotted rotors, I am assuming that the discs will be slightly thicker than stock to allow the slots to be cut and for the disc to still be structurally sound over the long term. Will this increase in weight noticeably affect acceleration?
Would are good brands of slotted rotors available for the CK Lancer (and where can I get them) and what would be the approximate cost of the rotors?
BTW, where brakes are concerned I would rather go with new parts and not used. I don't mind spending the extra money for peace of mind.
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 1794 Location: Good question!
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: |
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A lot of options available... Cheap - to - EXPENSIVE.
EDITED: MISHI, Wagonrunner and Rudman best sources for "CK" specific info.
CUSTOM systems:
Top-Of-The-Line _ Money-No-Object...
(plus you have to change to Evo-specific 17" rims & tyres too)::
Evo 4-9 GSR BREMBO front & rear rotors / calipers / AND Master cylinder.
Top-Of-The-Line _ For lesser mortals & other 2nrs (without having to change rims & tyres)::
Evo 4-9 RS front rotors / calipers / AND Master cylinder.
"Budget-priced" alternatives:
Also look at parts from Gallant VR4 / Lancer GSR (1996 CM5A)
Last resort... look at only upgrading pads... EBC etc. etc. Whichever choice you make...
also look at stainless-steel brake lines to reduce "spongy" pedal feel.
BTW change brake fluid at the same time and bleed system.
My $0.02� _________________ Walk softly... and carry a BIG stick!
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Rudman Pumpum Conqueror
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Still looking for 2 seconds in dex!
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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O.K. Uncle Sanctifier, you could count me in as one more resource for CK specific info......this going to be my first tech post on Zorce, so here goes.....
Rory, currently on my CK2 I have EBC Green stuff on both front and rear discs.
Despite what everyone has said about EBC being harsh on rotors, after 1 1/2 years of running them, I have not noticed any adverse effects with them. However, contrary to the manufacturer's claims, they do need some heating up (not much, just one hard mash) to bite aggressively.
To answer your other question, I do have Arospeed 1 piece front slotted rotors as well. I bought these new from Maska about 1 1/2 years ago as well and they are holding up well the EBC pads. No, they are not heavier than stock and no, they do not adversely affect acceleration. It should be noted that these rotors are a direct replacement for the OEM and it is not larger in any way, I could still run 13" rims on my car. These rotors cost $863 for the pair.
I tried stainless lines as well. They improve pedal feel but IMO, did not improve braking distances by much.
If I had to give a quantitative rating on what each mod did, this is how I would rank them:
EBC pads- 20% improvement
New rotors and S.S lines- 5%
So machine your stock rotors and try the pads first if funds are tight (they always are...... )
Then go for the new rotors and S.S. lines if funds permit.
Hopes this helps. _________________
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Sanctifier Zorce Moderator
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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BRAVO!... Excellant review. Concise and well written... 10 points.
BTW my first post... EDITED: _________________ Walk softly... and carry a BIG stick! |
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wagonrunner Zorce Jedi Knight
Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 941 Location: this much in front of you.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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was looking for some other info..................but some other useful info here.
brakes are useless without the right tires
http://www.gti-vr6.net/library/wheels_tires_brakes/drilled_vs_slotted_rotors.html
Quote: | the process of drilling rotors and slotting rotors was done for 1 reason
and 1 reason only it is to disipate the gases that build up between the
pad and the rotor which occurs under extreme heat ( when braking very
aggressively like on a road course) and it has absolutely nothing to do
with heat disipation. the only way to transfer more heat away is by
using a larger heat sink which means use of a larger rotor whether in
diameter or thickness. Since the caliper will only allow for a certain
rotor thickness that solution is not very applicable because, if you are
changing tha caliper opening width you might as well get a larger rotor
diameter at that time
1) The brakes don't stop the vehicle - the tires do. The brakes slow the
rotation of the wheels and tires. This means that braking distance
measured on a single stop from a highway legal speed or higher is almost
totally dependent upon the stopping ability of the tires in use - which,
in the case of aftermarket advertising, may or may not be the ones
originally fitted to the car by the OE manufacturer. |
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Rudman Pumpum Conqueror
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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^^Yea, that's true as well Karl. For the same brake set-up, I have noticed that my braking distances have been reduced by 1/3 since I started using those sticky Kumho V-700 R-compounds at Dex.
It allows me to come in harder into the finish box!!.... _________________
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wagonrunner Zorce Jedi Knight
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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^^
lucky you.
my abs doh come in fast enough.....................does forget to reach across and turn on d A/C _________________ PROUD MEMBER OF D WAGON BOYZ @ DEX
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Rory Phoulorie Zorce Jedi Knight
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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To all who replied, thanks. I now have a direction to follow.
wagonrunner, yeah I know I have to change the tires also to further help reduce the braking distance. Any recommendations for replacement 195/50-16s? Right now I am running Federals, but those tires are noisy as hell. They have worn over the years to a point just above the treadwear bars and with the onset of the wet season, I think I should change them out now. |
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VK-Sportsman Zorce Jedi Apprentice
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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mind if i asking where u getting the EBC pads? _________________ Feel the Power of the |
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Rory Phoulorie Zorce Jedi Knight
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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SUZUKI SPORTsman wrote: | mind if i asking where u getting the EBC pads? |
I haven't actually sourced them as of this date. However, someone referred me to Auto Image in Valpark. |
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wagonrunner Zorce Jedi Knight
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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yup, Andy at minicty autovillage sells EBC. if he doesn't have in stock, you can ask him to locate for your vehicle.
Rory P.
I can't recommend any particular tyre.
my tyre purchasing criteria is 205/60/14, Treadware > 320.
what has been working for me is driving according to experience, and conditions. _________________ PROUD MEMBER OF D WAGON BOYZ @ DEX
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Rudman Pumpum Conqueror
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Still looking for 2 seconds in dex!
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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wagonrunner wrote: | yup, Andy at minicty autovillage sells EBC. if he doesn't have in stock, you can ask him to locate for your vehicle. |
Well Andy can source the pads for you, but if it is a pad he is not accustom to, then he will insist on a pad traceout on a peice of paper.
This happened to me. When I said Lancer front, I ended up getting a pair of MIVEC pads......bigger than regular lancer pads.
The best thing U can do is download the catalouge here:
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/catalogues.html
Then compare the catalouge's dimensions to a traceout of your pad. _________________
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wagonrunner Zorce Jedi Knight
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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^^
great info there. _________________ PROUD MEMBER OF D WAGON BOYZ @ DEX
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VK-Sportsman Zorce Jedi Apprentice
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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thanks guys, looking at EBC greenstuffs when i get the zuki _________________ Feel the Power of the |
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-blazing- Pumpum Conqueror
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Sanctifier wrote: |
"Budget-priced" alternatives:
Also look at parts from Gallant VR4 / Lancer GSR (1996 CM5A)
My $0.02� |
works well |
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